"Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull" (RamblinRover)
10/14/2014 at 21:49 • Filed to: None
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"Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull" (RamblinRover)
10/14/2014 at 21:49 • Filed to: None | 2
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...and not being able to find what I need exactly, I am now looking somewhat seriously at English wheels and edger/bead rollers. I think this counts as going off the deep end. HALP
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 21:54 |
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What panel?
Agrajag
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:02 |
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While lacking the capabilities of the bead roller my patented Ameriball™ is quite capable at panel forming.
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/rust-repairs-s…
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Agrajag Mfg. accepts checks or money orders.
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Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
> Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
10/14/2014 at 22:04 |
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Several, really. The rear quarters need help: from the edge of the quarter up to the bottom of the fillet is not much good - think a straight line passing over just over the wheel cutout, below which is PAIN. This patch from Mac's would be ideal:
Except at $160 a side, it's no good that it's about 6" short. Wagons and Rancheros have a longer overhang past the rear wheel than the sedans and coupes. I have access to a roll brake at work I can do the curve part with, but no edging, and it kind of needs one...
Outside that, I need to make drip rails for the roof, because both sides of my roof have gone horribifuckus and were "repaired" by a tomato-headed gibbon in a gimp suit with a bucket of bondo. I wish to "enhance" the drip rails by making T-top flanges that feed into them. Virtually no roof metal is available in the first place. If what you're hearing with that is "edger edger edger seam roller edger *snarl*", you might be me.
Also, I need to refold the bottoms of my doors and edge new skin metal for my tailgate, and who knows what else.
deekster_caddy
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:05 |
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You're not kidding. I ended up making all my own pieces from flat sheet for my LeSabre. Besides nobody actually making panels that fit or didn't, any of the used potential parts cars I looked at were all rotted in mostly the same places, so I made all this shit by hand.
Someday I'll be done with it all. Getting close!!! Check out the full set.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/6509315…
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> Agrajag
10/14/2014 at 22:07 |
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Hah. I'm well familiar with the "stick things in vice to put metal over and hit with hammer" school of metal forming. It's just... edging is hard to do well that way with irregular curves.
Frank Grimes
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:10 |
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If I read this right you need this. Bend the metal to a 90 and then make the curves with these
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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:12 |
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What it sounds like is that you need a donor car with a good body.
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> deekster_caddy
10/14/2014 at 22:13 |
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Here's the LH side in question. I struck a deep vein, there's Bon do in them thar hills. Er, fenders.
Hard to see, but there's a line of decay and pinholes along the bottom edge to the right. The other side's even worse, they cut back the inner fender and hand made a stretch of metal for the last lower section behind the wheel. Then, 1/8" of bondo. Nope.
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> Frank Grimes
10/14/2014 at 22:16 |
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Yep. Pretty much exactly, except that I may want an old-school one that does bead rolling as well - since I have to make a floorboard patch for the rear "seat" area under the bed.
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> Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
10/14/2014 at 22:18 |
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Bullshit. If I had a Ranchero with a good body, I'd want to drive that, and then I'd feel all guilty about making clownshow modifications to it. The only other option would be $300 in patch panels and a four door wagon to cut up (fuck that), or cutting up a two door wagon. Fuck that last option in particular.
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deekster_caddy
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:18 |
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Oh yeah, that's exactly the stuff I had to recreate on both sides, outer and inner pieces. This is what I found when I started grinding away the bondo on the outside...
And this is what I found on the inside...
So I ended up replacing all that too. At least now I know it's solid metal underneath my bondo, not swiss cheese...
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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:19 |
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Get the tools
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> Frank Grimes
10/14/2014 at 22:25 |
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Do you recall what the tool in your first pic's proper name is? I've seen them before, but I can't remember the proper name for some reason, and I'd like to price 'em out vs. a roller edger.
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> deekster_caddy
10/14/2014 at 22:26 |
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With any luck, I'll be able to do it all fancy style with hand sheet metal tools. Like a boss.
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I'm scared. Not sure I want to be a boss.
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> Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
10/14/2014 at 22:28 |
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You're just saying that because you want me to English wheel you up some fenders for a Locost to match however you shoop them. You want a Locost with fenders like Prince's guitar, don't you? DON'T YOU!?
I'm onto you.
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deekster_caddy
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:34 |
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I played around with a few pieces and definitely had to scrap a few test fits before I got it right. Once you get going, it's actually not that hard to make by hand. Some of it is straight lines you can bend in a brake, some of it you have to warm up with a hammer and find the right thing to curve on... Honestly the wheel arch edges were way more difficult than the lower quarter pieces. A lot of that I had the metal in a vice around a small bar and hammered it partly into the shape of the bar. Once you start tapping and the metal warms up it gets easier.
Axel-Ripper
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:36 |
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2 words. Either:
Harbor Freight
or
Carbon Fiber
Either one will get you what you need. Cheap but surprisingly functional metal working tools, or the ability to make the lightweights in whatever bend you want if you know what you're doing.
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> deekster_caddy
10/14/2014 at 22:38 |
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The wheel arch edges are the big thing I'm considering an edger for - them and the drip edges on the roof. No me gusta putting together that many micro-seams, when the car is designed in such a way properly rustproofing a *smooth* inner side to the fender will be very hard. I guess I just don't trust it not to rust-explode with that many welds where I can't get at them.
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deekster_caddy
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 22:42 |
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Yeah, the other tip I was given that I didn't follow was to get some special primer - "Weld through" - and use that. I was limited on time and equipment, so I had to go ahead and weld in my metal sometimes before I could prime it. That weld-through primer was really pricey too!
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> deekster_caddy
10/14/2014 at 22:47 |
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I'm going to be using weld-through on a bunch of stuff including that. I didn't use it for the rocker repair, though, since that's pretty accessible - just used high-zinc since it was more ready to hand. High-zinc is a bitch to weld, but at least leaves zinc on the surface... and I was welding insanely rusty stuff already, so the welds weren't getting any dirtier. A little zinc burning off and reducing the rust - even if it bubbles the weld once or twice - fine with me. Oh, and the rockers are galvanized already, so zinc fumes were already in good supply.
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Frank Grimes
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/14/2014 at 23:32 |
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They are called shrinkers stretchers depending on what jaws you have in them. I bought two of em on clearance at harbor freight absolute killer deal. havent used em much since I sold my cutlass that I would use to make patches for the rear window rust and quarter panel patches. I dont think you want to do the roller route at least for this project as I dont think you will be able to get the necessary curves most people use bead rollers for putting beads in metal to stiffen it and for rolling over edges. I think doing the bead roller route would also take longer to turn the edge.
Squid
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/15/2014 at 00:12 |
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By the tools and get a sheet metal shrinker and expander to help create the wheel curves if you need it. But make what you can't buy and then you'll be able to make a bunch of other cool shit with the tools. Just see if you can find a fab shop that sell you some scrap sheet at the scrap price so you can use it to learn on rather than learning on that expensive virgin steel.
shop-teacher
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/15/2014 at 00:25 |
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Man, I love those old metal working tools!
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> Squid
10/15/2014 at 00:50 |
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My place of work goes through thousands of feet of sheet steel in a year. There's always bits around. They just don't have a roller, shrinker/stretcher, English wheel, or anything else fun other than a rolling brake because it's all boxes and ducts and things.
If they did much in 20ga or 22ga aluminized, zinc, or rolled, I could get it for cost or less, but that's not an option for anything but 16. Just about everything done in light gauge is SS. I can practice on the 20ga 430 scrap, though.
As to needing a shrinker/stretcher outright, I suspect that won't be needed. Outer skin with a single fold welds to an inner with single fold - no reinforcement because the Falcon was cheaper than cheap. Stretcher's on the list long term because Rover fenders have a reinforce strip, but the Ranchero, no.
AMGtech - now with more recalls!
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/15/2014 at 00:51 |
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I am very much enjoying this thread. I love sheet metal work and don't get to do it often enough.
That website has almost anything you should ever need, a little pricey but the stuff is top notch. I used to do a ton of sheet metal, let me know if you have any questions. I'm going to keep reading through comments in a bit, don't have time at the moment.
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AMGtech - now with more recalls!
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/15/2014 at 01:28 |
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Trust me, get a shrinker/stretcher, it will make the final product so much better and it will be finished so much faster. I think Eastwood sells them too.
BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/15/2014 at 06:10 |
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Neat :) must get myself one of those...
Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast.
> Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull
10/16/2014 at 17:35 |
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I love this stuff, but I am not good with it. Anything I built would end up looking like the Eagle Thrust III
